Implementation of this proposal would realize President Trump's vision of 'eternal peace' for the Middle East while ending the cycle of the US fighting unwinnable, forever wars for Israel.
"The only way that the US could have ensured Iran did not attack US military bases would have been for the US to threaten to suspend all US security assistance to Israel if it attacked Iran or, alternatively, to tell Iranian leaders that the US would remain neutral in any Israel-Iran War"
OR the third option:
Threaten a nuclear reprisal IF Iran attacked US Military bases in retaliation to Israeli attacks.
Telling Iran the US would remain neutral wouldnt have been believed at all - naive to even contemplate this option.
Islam respects strength not "appeasement/weakness"
David Pyne's suggestion betrays his ignorance of the history of the Israeli occupation of Palestine. While for 80 years Palestinians have rightly demanded a free Palestinian homeland, Dreamland Pine wants Palestinians to abandon who they are (history, culture, identity, their natural right to their homeland) and become second-class citizens of a state which has been their tormentor for 80 years killing hundreds of thousands of Palestinians since Zionists from Europe invaded Arab Palestine with British-US complicity. Pyne, go peddle your disguised Zionism in Somaliland.
You think Palestinians would rather keep living under Israeli occupation as non-citizens without any rights at all. I am advocating for a power sharing arrangement to protect them and ensure their voice is heard allowing the right to return for millions of displaced Palestinians.
Palestinian power sharing with Israel is impossible because:
Israelis themselves as superior not just to Palestinians but to the 8 billion people of the world. They in private mock even the US while mass murderer Netanyahu has more than once said America does what he orders.
How can Palestinians pretend to cooperate with the foreign settlers who have stolen most of Palestine and for eighty years have killed hundreds of thousand Palestinians and wrecked the lives of many more?
Israelis don’t want peace because it would restrict their conspiracy of Greater Israel.
Israelis are so sure of their power and US backing that they are now talking about tackling Egypt and Turkey after they neutralize Iran. If they defeat Turkey, they will then “absorb” Cyprus, chunks of Syria and turn Lebanon into a puppet state like Jordan.
Pretty sure the Jews were there long before these so called "Zionists" from Europe turned up.
As it is, the Palestinians could still have lived in peace rather than spending decades perpetuating their loathing of the Jew, brainwashing their kids to kill the Jew, and doing everything to make their own fellow Palestinians live in abject poverty so as to play the victim card.
Which they, and Islamist Iran , most certainly are not.
The time to end this Islamic apologism is now.
No nation should be allowed to control the key Hormuz straits given its importance to world trade - especially not an Islamist one whose leaders repeatedly call for Israel to be wiped off the face of the map.
Historic Jews are occupiers of Palestine. According to their holy book, their founder Abraham came from Ur in Iraq.
In the pre-Christian era, most of the time Palestine was occupied by Egyptians, Assyrians, Persians, Babylonians, Romans, Greeks…while Jews lived there.
Some Jews were exiled, some Jews left Palestine on their own volition. Arabs came seven centuries later: they had nothing to do with the departure of Jews.
From 8th century on, the overwhelmingly high percentage of Palestine’s population was Arab—Muslim and Christian. From the late Middle Ages to 1917, Palestine was misruled by the Turkish military.
When the illegal and unjust colonialist Balfour Declaration was made in 1917, Palestinian Arabs made up 95 percent of Palestine’s population. They also owned 90 percent of private land.
The British forcibly infused foreign Jews into Palestine despite justified opposition by the native Palestinian Arabs. Through Western help. these foreign Jews conquered Palestine in 1948 and 1967.
Don’t muddy the waters by introducing Islam into your argument. The Palestinian struggle has nothing to do with Islam. It’s a struggle to retrieve their homeland from foreigners from Poland, Ukraine, Russia…and more recently from France and the U.S.
"In the pre-Christian era, most of the time Palestine was occupied by Egyptians, Assyrians, Persians, Babylonians, Romans, Greeks…while Jews lived there."
"Some Jews were exiled, some Jews left Palestine on their own volition. Arabs came seven centuries later"
"From 8th century on, the overwhelmingly high percentage of Palestine’s population was Arab—Muslim and Christian."
Thanks for confirming the JEWS were there before the Muslims.
So many people deny this is true, but it is. And you confirm such.
Pretty sure Middle East was carved up by Britain AND France.
Sykes -Picot. 1916
Carving up of Ottoman empire.
Balfour Declaration 1917.
Why was Balfour declaration "illegal" and unjust" exactly.
Youve already said the Jews were there before the Muslims, who came in 8th Century.
Colonialist - Sure. Replacing one set of colonialists(Ottoman Turks) who were defeated in WW1 by another.
Tough shit. That's how the spoils of war usually are handed out and there jews were merely returning home because they most certainly didnt leave of their own accord!!
This would be a problem if Palestinians had been willing to live in peace with their Jewish neighbour. As it is, first the PLO, then Hamas, have taught their children from an early age to hate the Jew , to want to kill the Jew.
So I've zero sympathy for the Palestinian cause. You reap what you sow.
And Hamas has sowed plenty. As has Hezbollah and co.
We all want to live in a peaceful world but Islam is the religion of war.
Just as Europeans found out in 10th/11th.12th centuries etc Islam came to conquest first. The Crusades were a response to Islamic invasion.
"The only way that the US could have ensured Iran did not attack US military bases would have been for the US to threaten to suspend all US security assistance to Israel if it attacked Iran or, alternatively, to tell Iranian leaders that the US would remain neutral in any Israel-Iran War"
OR the third option:
Threaten a nuclear reprisal IF Iran attacked US Military bases in retaliation to Israeli attacks.
Telling Iran the US would remain neutral wouldnt have been believed at all - naive to even contemplate this option.
Islam respects strength not "appeasement/weakness"
David Pyne's suggestion betrays his ignorance of the history of the Israeli occupation of Palestine. While for 80 years Palestinians have rightly demanded a free Palestinian homeland, Dreamland Pine wants Palestinians to abandon who they are (history, culture, identity, their natural right to their homeland) and become second-class citizens of a state which has been their tormentor for 80 years killing hundreds of thousands of Palestinians since Zionists from Europe invaded Arab Palestine with British-US complicity. Pyne, go peddle your disguised Zionism in Somaliland.
You think Palestinians would rather keep living under Israeli occupation as non-citizens without any rights at all. I am advocating for a power sharing arrangement to protect them and ensure their voice is heard allowing the right to return for millions of displaced Palestinians.
Palestinian power sharing with Israel is impossible because:
Israelis themselves as superior not just to Palestinians but to the 8 billion people of the world. They in private mock even the US while mass murderer Netanyahu has more than once said America does what he orders.
How can Palestinians pretend to cooperate with the foreign settlers who have stolen most of Palestine and for eighty years have killed hundreds of thousand Palestinians and wrecked the lives of many more?
Israelis don’t want peace because it would restrict their conspiracy of Greater Israel.
Israelis are so sure of their power and US backing that they are now talking about tackling Egypt and Turkey after they neutralize Iran. If they defeat Turkey, they will then “absorb” Cyprus, chunks of Syria and turn Lebanon into a puppet state like Jordan.
Pretty sure the Jews were there long before these so called "Zionists" from Europe turned up.
As it is, the Palestinians could still have lived in peace rather than spending decades perpetuating their loathing of the Jew, brainwashing their kids to kill the Jew, and doing everything to make their own fellow Palestinians live in abject poverty so as to play the victim card.
Which they, and Islamist Iran , most certainly are not.
The time to end this Islamic apologism is now.
No nation should be allowed to control the key Hormuz straits given its importance to world trade - especially not an Islamist one whose leaders repeatedly call for Israel to be wiped off the face of the map.
The time for weakness is over.
Same goes for the Houthis of Yemen.
Historic Jews are occupiers of Palestine. According to their holy book, their founder Abraham came from Ur in Iraq.
In the pre-Christian era, most of the time Palestine was occupied by Egyptians, Assyrians, Persians, Babylonians, Romans, Greeks…while Jews lived there.
Some Jews were exiled, some Jews left Palestine on their own volition. Arabs came seven centuries later: they had nothing to do with the departure of Jews.
From 8th century on, the overwhelmingly high percentage of Palestine’s population was Arab—Muslim and Christian. From the late Middle Ages to 1917, Palestine was misruled by the Turkish military.
When the illegal and unjust colonialist Balfour Declaration was made in 1917, Palestinian Arabs made up 95 percent of Palestine’s population. They also owned 90 percent of private land.
The British forcibly infused foreign Jews into Palestine despite justified opposition by the native Palestinian Arabs. Through Western help. these foreign Jews conquered Palestine in 1948 and 1967.
Don’t muddy the waters by introducing Islam into your argument. The Palestinian struggle has nothing to do with Islam. It’s a struggle to retrieve their homeland from foreigners from Poland, Ukraine, Russia…and more recently from France and the U.S.
"In the pre-Christian era, most of the time Palestine was occupied by Egyptians, Assyrians, Persians, Babylonians, Romans, Greeks…while Jews lived there."
"Some Jews were exiled, some Jews left Palestine on their own volition. Arabs came seven centuries later"
"From 8th century on, the overwhelmingly high percentage of Palestine’s population was Arab—Muslim and Christian."
Thanks for confirming the JEWS were there before the Muslims.
So many people deny this is true, but it is. And you confirm such.
Pretty sure Middle East was carved up by Britain AND France.
Sykes -Picot. 1916
Carving up of Ottoman empire.
Balfour Declaration 1917.
Why was Balfour declaration "illegal" and unjust" exactly.
Youve already said the Jews were there before the Muslims, who came in 8th Century.
Colonialist - Sure. Replacing one set of colonialists(Ottoman Turks) who were defeated in WW1 by another.
Tough shit. That's how the spoils of war usually are handed out and there jews were merely returning home because they most certainly didnt leave of their own accord!!
This would be a problem if Palestinians had been willing to live in peace with their Jewish neighbour. As it is, first the PLO, then Hamas, have taught their children from an early age to hate the Jew , to want to kill the Jew.
So I've zero sympathy for the Palestinian cause. You reap what you sow.
And Hamas has sowed plenty. As has Hezbollah and co.
We all want to live in a peaceful world but Islam is the religion of war.
Just as Europeans found out in 10th/11th.12th centuries etc Islam came to conquest first. The Crusades were a response to Islamic invasion.